do they both lead people away from god?.
Adamah, Cofty wrote that "it´s nonsens to claim that not believing in God counts as a belief".
I don´t understand this when you can read that "Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God"
Thanks for the deeper explanation (without an aggressive attitude) Adamah
do they both lead people away from god?.
Non-unicorns, I have not seen any, but who am I to tell if they exist or not? In this world or in other worlds? Even if I have a brilliant logical thinking and so called "proof" I can be dead wrong about everthing I´m certain of. Do I exist? I don´t know. It feels like that, but I´m not 100% sure of it. This text I write can well be an illusion in my mind, I don´t know and I cannot prove it.
do they both lead people away from god?.
Okay, Cofty, you are the wise man. You have a superior insight. I´m wrong as always. No problem. I´m used with people trying to tell me what I shall do/think/behave.
So when someone believes in something (for example the conviction of non existing God), that is not a belief. It´s no problem with me. If you say it´s not a belief, no problem. If someone is convinced that aliens visit (or not visit) us, that is not a belief either. A conviction and a belief have nothing in common. Can be so.....
"Atheism - the doctrine or belief that there is no God"
do they both lead people away from god?.
I find it interesting.
A religionist has a doctrine, a belief that there is A God (or several).
A atheist has a doctrine, a belief that there is NO God.
Both are believers, that´s it.
a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
Don´t be superstitious, I dont try to score points. I just asked a question. You didn´t answered it. Let me ask in a different way; Do you concider yourself (as an atheist) to be wise (?) and are you 99.999...% sure that your way of thinking and behaving should be the best way of living and thinking for most of the human beings on this planet?
a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
Cofty, so an "soft atheist" is still an igorant atheist until he reaches the 99.999 (kind of) % in belief (against the existence of God)?
a thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
Is it a fair analyze that a "soft atheist" is not sure, but just suspect that God MAY not exists (like 55/45 % in chance)
and a "hard core atheist" is convinced 100% (he "knows") that God does not exists? (100/0 % in chance)
jws are in need of more kingdom halls in many major u.s. cities.
at this years agm where it is expected that most of the faithful will be able to listen to the meeting (being tied in by video), dont be surprised if the wts 8 gb members take part in a symposium delivering some long winded appeal, petition, plea, proposal, proposition, solicitation or otherwise hit-on the masses for $$$ in order to lighten the burden and overuse that many kingdom halls are experiencing.
an acquaintance from the west coast mentioned to me that in late august thru early september of this year that a number of pow-wows involving close to 5,000 elders from numerous areas (riverside, los angeles, ventura and orange counties) took place to drum up financial support from the 800+ (not sure) congregations in those areas.
Where in the Bible is it written that the simple people of Jehova needs expensive Halls at the cost of Jehovahs flock?
have you ever come across words that resonate with you?
it doesn't have to be a great gem of wisdom, just something that is meaningful to you.. please share, and if you want to, tell us why it's meaningful to you.. here is something that made me nod when i first read it.... .
"fortunate are those who have learned to see, in the wild things of nature, something to be loved, something to be wondered at, something to be reverenced, for they have found the key to a never-failing source of recreation and refreshment".
Haha, dmouse! I fill in:
